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    I have 3 cats, I followed Bob Barkers advise and spayed and neutered themClick here to enlarge, my youngest cat I rescued from the humane society, I go through cat liter like I go through water for my tanks! LOLClick here to enlarge is used cat liter better for dirted tanks or non used.Click here to enlarge
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    Inkbull: it'd be like thunderdome if I mixed a cat with my dog (pound puppy for the win.) She looks dumb as a rock but wouldn't want to be a food sized animal near her.

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    My local cheapot/blowes only have mgocpm with bone meal (potassium) or blood meal(nitrogen). Is any of these frowned upon?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by donanton Click here to enlarge
    My local cheapot/blowes only have mgocpm with bone meal (potassium) or blood meal(nitrogen). Is any of these frowned upon?
    It's out of season and gone from the shelves in most places by me, but Walmart site to store works, no shipping charges and it will be ready for pickup at your local Walmart in a few days...

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    Is there any problem with using mgocgs instead of mgocpm?

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    yes and no their is really no wrong base but id avoid the bonemeal (nitrogen) as that not somthing you want any extra in your fish tank
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    If you go with a substrate that has bone meal, just make sure you run the aquarium with plants and without fish for a couple weeks so the high concentrates of the nitrogen leeches out.
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    wouldn't the nitrogen help the plants or only if it's tied up in nitrates

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    Nitrogen will help plant growth, but its not good for fishies.
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    Is dolomite just crushed limestone?

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    i was looking at an old pic of the 120 i forgot i added a box of latrite to the bottom layer
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    trimmed out all the sword runners i think the tank looks so much better without all the stringy stuff everywhere but itll only be short lived as they grow back so fast
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    I don't have access to the dolomite lime or peat granuals at the moment. I have everything else. My water ph is 8 consistently. Would it be wrong to just add some azomite to the dirt then cap with sand?

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    Wow everything looks great!! Click here to enlarge Nice Brown nosing with the Diy shirt!! LOL Click here to enlarge
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    figured i had to put a shirt on so why not find one of my diyfks shirts
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    Any opinion on no peat and no dolomite?

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    Any opinion on no peat and no dolomite?

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    my 75gal on my grandstand has no peat or dolomite and is doing well with everything else in the mix youll grow plants well still
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    Radical

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    excellent
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    i'm following another substrate mix (from another forum), it's gone through a fair bit of evolution since the concept started, through both input and through experience

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    --- they're roughly refering to it as EHS (enhanced Humus Substrate)

    The mix that performed the best for me for the last three years under a variety of conditions and set-ups is thus:

    1. Standard MTS.

    2. An equal volume of humus or an appropriate amount of an extract of humates or fulvates. If you go the extract route, which seems the most practical and affordable, guided by the directions on the label, mix up a volume equal to the amount of MTS, incorporate well into the MTS and apply. Remember, no more than 2 inches of EHS and a cap of 2-3 inches at most above that.

    3. Include a buffer, ideally a soluble one that buffers for a long period of time. Some folks have their chestnuts like dolomitic lime, and that's fine as long as it's included in an amount of about 2 oz per 10 gallons. This is standard for MTS.

    4. You'll need extra iron, probably in the form of laterite, at a rate of about 4 oz per 10 gallons. This is pretty standard for MTS.

    5. Potassium, potassium, potassium! This is the most understated of the macronutrients and will go fast or at least it did in my experiments. Positive signs of deficiency were readily apparent early on. Using your favorite source of potassium, I suggest 3 oz per 10 gallons. This represents a 33% increase over standard MTS.

    Optional 6: Phosphorous. This may be wholly unnecessary which is why it's optional. It depends on your water supply, population of animals and feeding regimen. If you have phosphates in your tap/well water, use a phosphate buffer for your water column or feed heavily high quality food to a sizable population of animals every day then your phosphorous needs are likely covered already. Phosphorous in very transportable and in my case, it tended to leak out of the substrate and into the water column, especially with very soft acidic water. If you must, I suggest no more than a half oz. per 10 gallons.

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    i've inquired about why the ratio for substrate & depth, i've inquired about why only a few inches of substrate, ... didn't get an answer back

    actually i've made all kinds of inquiries there, not all related to the substrate, and some were rather stupid questions as i found out later as i learned more

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    dirt and root tabs are the way to go imo will last indefinitely i actually just noticed a lull in growth and root tabbed my 120 and things have blown up again though i never seen any signs of deficiency
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inkbull Click here to enlarge
    dirt and root tabs are the way to go imo will last indefinitely i actually just noticed a lull in growth and root tabbed my 120 and things have blown up again though i never seen any signs of deficiency
    I agree as well
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    Prepping my red clay.

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    I saw the preview picture for the video and I was wondering why you would add hot dog chunks.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by donanton Click here to enlarge
    I saw the preview picture for the video and I was wondering why you would add hot dog chunks.
    Lol now that's funny!!Click here to enlarge I would of never thought of hotdog but I can see what you mean!! Click here to enlarge
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    The Osmocote scares me a little. At warm (aquarium) temperatures and in water it would release pretty quickly. You've used Osmocote before without running into problems?

    Also, kitty litter is 'calcine clay' that is baked. You can get a harder version of calcine clay which is the same thing, heated to a higher temperature. Golf courses use it in their greens. One brand name is 'Turface'. It would last longer, I think, without turning to muck.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by WiscDave Click here to enlarge
    The Osmocote scares me a little. At warm (aquarium) temperatures and in water it would release pretty quickly. You've used Osmocote before without running into problems?

    Also, kitty litter is 'calcine clay' that is baked. You can get a harder version of calcine clay which is the same thing, heated to a higher temperature. Golf courses use it in their greens. One brand name is 'Turface'. It would last longer, I think, without turning to muck.
    sorry I haven't responded yes I have used Osmocote before in my 55g dirt tank and Inkbull has too!!

    I don't have much problem with the kitty litter turning to muck but would look in to your brand (turface) Im always up for some new clay if natural.

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    Here is my first layer (Red clay (the 3 types made up before) , laterite clay, azomite)

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    with the Kitty litter added

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    the Pea gravel boarder

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    the second layer was sifted MGOCPS, azomite, and dolomite lime

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    sifted MGOCPS, azomite, dolomite lime, peat granules

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    Caped with pea gravel and planted

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