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    a little diyfishkeepers collaboration dirt mix

    dank dirt mix

    layer 1
    special kitty cat litter

    100 natural red clay both dry and raw
    azomite and osmocoat
    oh and laterite clay

    layer 2
    sifted MGOCPM, dolomite lime, azomite and peat granuals mixed

    cap 3-5mm gravel, florite ,sand and eco-complete mix

    ratio was about like my cooking methods random sorry sometimes no one but me will eat it



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    the special kitty cat litter is 100 clay that has a high cec so its basically a magnet absorbing all the nutrients around it and slowly allowing the plant to take it up
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    Special Kitty cat litter is a brand of cat litter. Sold at Walmart I believe.
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    just guessing
    layer 1 thin layer mabe 1/2"

    cat litter 35%
    red clay 35%
    azomite 15%
    osmocoat plus 15%

    layer 2 not too thick 2"max

    mgocpm 90%
    dolomite 2.5%
    peat granuals 5%
    azomite 2.5%
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    Good stuff Ink. Don't forget a sand or gravel cap to keep all those goodies in place!

    Also, Miracle Grow Organic Potting Mix (MGOCPM) can be replaced with peat or regular pesticide free fill dirt. If you use MGOCPM make sure you pull out the big wood chunks or you'll have major floaters.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inkbull Click here to enlarge
    just guessing
    layer 1 thin layer mabe 1/2"

    cat litter 35%
    red clay 35%
    azomite 15%
    osmocoat plus 15%

    layer 2 not too thick 2"max

    mgocpm 90%
    dolomite 2.5%
    peat granuals 5%
    azomite 2.5%
    Thank you very much sir! I have a 10 gal that I want to try this mix in.
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    i disagree with lub sorry i wouldnt use peat as apposed to mgocpm the dolomite and peat granuals wouldnt have the same effect on the mix the dolomite is used to keep the ph of the substrate stable and a bit high then the peat granuals are used for acidic pockets
    ive done alot resurch on peat substrates they suposidly go bad fast but are great durring the begining cause the peat gives off co2
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    I certainly wouldn't use much peat. I can give you first hand experience on why NOT to use a lot of peat Click here to enlarge
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    great post ink... why dry clay? you mean like break a pot into pieces?

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    the dry clay is me being an idiot the clay i have has to be fired to dry so it eventually turns into the same consistency as the rest disregard the dry statement sorry
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    thanks lub i didnt wanna use your tank as an example but it really is a good one on why not to use peat you want the ph of your dirt to be much higher and stable
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    For the first several months I wondered why everybody said no to peat substrates, then a few more months later I figured it out Click here to enlarge
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    lol i told ya you fought me on it to sorry to hear i was right though
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    I want to make a small shrimp/neon tetra tank and the shrimp require a ph 6-7 tank. Would there be a problem if I skipped the dolomite? I'm thinking almond leaves to help drop the ph.

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    i wouldnt skip it i may reduce it
    you dont wanna lower the ph of your dirt and make it unstable
    you can still use leaves to lther the ph of the water
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    I agree with inkbull on that keep the dirt stable since it will have a minimal effect on the water column. Use the almond leaves, filter peat, conditioned Ro to play with the water neutrality.
    I Leave the wood pieces in my MGO I believe it will be a natural compost as it decomposes. Any of the few that make it as floaters I use my net to skim the water surface for any of that crap.

    You will want to plant a dirt tank heavy to help prevent an algae bloom. Let the plants out compete the algae for nutrients. Also big water changes for the first month. When I set up my tank I will fill the tank completely with cold water ( cold is cheaper) let it sit for an hour then drain it. I plant my tank then do a real deal fill water as close to operating temp as possible. I follow that up with at least 1x50% WC a week for a month. I try on my smaller tanks to do 2 just because the chemistry of the small water volume can change so rapidly. The WC will remove the excess micro nutrients being released by the soil, and add Macro elements from the water. At least in my area as I have liquid rock for tap water.

    I also recommend taking your time setting up a dirt tank!!!!!!!!! Rushing and or skipping steps can not give the results you may want. Make sure you have at least a 1:1 ratio on your cap. I use a 1:1.5 ratio having my cap larger to keep the soil from poking through. When laying your cap uniformity is key so you are not thin in areas. Nothing worse than having a fish break through the cap and make a mess of your tank.

    This is what has worked has for me. I have done over a half dozen dirt tanks from 5-75g and I keep learning tricks on the way. If you have any suggestions, corrections, or questions let me know. Nice post on the Dank dirt bro.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Pikeman Click here to enlarge
    Special Kitty cat litter is a brand of cat litter. Sold at Walmart I believe.
    Yes it is its dirt cheap and that large bag will last many tank.
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    Anybody picked up special kitty at Ace Hardware or any other big box hardware store? Maybe Fred Meyers for you west coast guys? I refuse to shop at Walmart....
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    That is there house brand Sorry Lub It just 100% clay cat litter.
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    Hmm. I'm gonna go shopping today and see what I can find.
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    im a worse shopper than my wife she is normally the one say hurry up lets go
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    Mine hates shopping too. I'm always the one that's doing the Christmas shopping and stuff. The only shopping she does is for groceries.
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    no shat its bs i already got a load of xmas gifts hiding in the laundryroom plus tablets for my boys on layaway wife nothing so far
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    cat's pride is 100% clay

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by thelub Click here to enlarge
    Anybody picked up special kitty at Ace Hardware or any other big box hardware store? Maybe Fred Meyers for you west coast guys? I refuse to shop at Walmart....
    The dollar stores around me sell small bags of 100% clay, you pay a premium over the Walmart stuff though... But, beware cat liter is just scraped from the ground clay there will be variations to it's composition depending where it's mined...

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    good tip. i dont know what I would do with the leftover from a 25lb bag.

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    get a cat they are awsome lol but seriously so many cats get put down daily cause they cant find a home
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    Spay or Nueter your Pet.... inkbull tested, inkbull Approved! lol sorry just reminded me of a political commercial.
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    video while i was farting around
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    I went out and bought a bag of 100% white clay kitty litter at Petco. It was only 8 bucks for 40lb bag. I have an oil spill in my garage I need to clean up and I'll use the rest for a substrate. Gotta love duel purpose purchases Click here to enlarge
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